BETA09: Facebook Groups Best Practices

Hey, great! We got the beta show here. Once again with the Church Digital Podcast. Jeff here, joined once again with Ray, the armist digital pastor over at Christ Fellowship Miami. Ray, thanks for joining us once again. By the way, we've got—if you're noticing, usually the beta show it's just Ray and I and we're talking and vamping about whatever. But for this one we decided, hey, let's open it up and let's bring some people on because I'll just tell you, I don't know a lot about this topic. And so the topic we're talking about today is, hey, you know what? Facebook groups are a thing. Arguably, I would say it's probably one of the more effective tools available for creating community in the context of church, and I don't know that we—the church—I don't know that we're using them well. And so I asked my friend here, Jeanette Yates, who I've had the honor of meeting with once. Tom Pounder, still haven't met you. Just saying that publicly. But I asked Jeanette here, hey, I want to have this conversation about Facebook groups because I don't think we churches are doing it well. And who do we need to talk to? Who can I talk to that can help us figure out Facebook groups? And Jeanette, who's over at with Text in Church as the social media manager at Texan Church, says to me, hey, Jeff, you need to talk to Katie. You need to talk to Julianne. And so Katie is a professor of marketing over at University of Mobile and also a great follow on social media as well as she's the founder of Church Communication Group. And just phenomenal resources coming out of there as well. As well as Julianne here, who is with customer care and a whole bunch of other titles and things that she does in the context of church marketing university. And so we've got three ladies here in this conversation that know a lot more about Facebook and Facebook groups, social media marketing. They live in this world. And so I actually want to learn something from this conversation. And thanks to experiment and to kind of try out here in the context of how to make our Facebook groups better, how to make church Facebook groups better. And I know Ray as well. Ray, we're walking into this thing. Do you have any thoughts here? What are you hoping to learn from this situation?

You know, it's funny, Jeff. About a year and a half ago we started our Facebook group for our church, and I remember Nona Jones was talking about how this was going to be part of the future. And I really wanted to put emphasis on this, even over our page, because I see the potential for it. But the hard thing is that it's still so new and so fresh that a lot of us don't know what to post that's different from our page. A lot of us don't know how to get people to interact. And so that could be a bit of a struggle. And so I'm really looking forward to learning from these ladies here today because, you know, especially for what we do at Christ Fellowship, hey, we got a lot of people watching, but we want that engagement piece to tick up a whole lot too. And I think the group can definitely help.

Awesome. So hey, we're setting up high praise here. We're looking to learn something. And so I'm going to put some pressure. By the way, before I put pressure on Jeanette, I'm always forgetting—thanks if you've got questions, comments, throw it here in the chat where you're watching. We're seeing that in the live broadcast and then we'll throw it up here through StreamYard and give access to that. So feel free to comment in and engage with us. But Jeanette, I stalled enough for you here. We're going to let you start off. Give me something practical advice. Um, best practices, Facebook groups. How do we make this stuff better?

So first of all, I just want to say there's a lot you can do as a church with Facebook groups. I am going to share one way to take it, and I think Katie's probably going to go in a completely different direction, but that's okay. That's why I have her on here. But you know, with the churches that I've worked with personally—like I have been on staff with them—they were really wanting to dive into Facebook groups but not really knowing how to start. And so if you know, churches, they're all different sizes, all different types. And so what I suggested for these churches—the churches I was working with—is start with the audience that you already have, which for most of the churches I was working with, basically their Facebook audience was their members. Like there wasn't too much engagement beyond that. And so I said, okay, so they're—you're still not having a conversation with your members online. So let's start with people we already know want to talk to us because they come to church on Sundays and they're, you know, emailing with us and things like that and texting. Um, let's start with them. And so there's a couple of different things you can do. Um, I know a couple of churches that have a Facebook group for their members, and this would be where you would share not the stuff that you're sharing on your page necessarily, although you might sometimes, but this is more of like that personal information. Can you pray for this person? Um, don't forget where—um, we need volunteers for this thing. Or just engaging with them like, what did you think about, you know, today's sermon? You know, things like that. Just having a group for all of your members. And then another church I know that does something really well is they have a really big women's ministry that does a lot of work in the community. So they've started—they have a really active women's ministry church, you know, Facebook group that's for their church. And of course, that way, one of the things that's really needed there—I mean, they talk about devotion, they share devotionals in there, they go live in there, they share recipes, they do childcare discussion of childcare things like that. But um, they also are able to then—you don't necessarily have to be a member of the church to be invited into that group because if women are chit-chatting and having fun, you might be like, oh, you've got to come in this group. We're having this great conversation this week about this and that. And that's an easy on-ramp for someone who might not actually be a member of the whole church, but they, you know, have several friends that are in this group that are talking. So that is what um I suggest for someone who's like, we want to get started, but we just don't know where and we don't know how to create a group for the whole community necessarily. Just start with your members and create a place for them to gather and have conversation. Um, and of course, as we have said many times this year, this is even more important in these days and times than it was before. But it's been important for a while, and it's even more important now.

That was said so mellow. This is—it's so important. It's like the church lady from Saturday Night Live totally saying that right now. I totally want to get into why Julianne has a completely different perspective. I will get there in a second. Let me ask a follow-up. I'm curious. Is it better to do like an—I'm starting out, I'm fresh. Is it better to do like an all-member for the entire church that's broad scope, or is it better to do like a specific like a women's ministry or a young adult, like to really drill into more of a tighter demographic? Um, if I'm starting out, I'm kind of new at this thing, give me some advice. How—what does that first group look like?

So I would ask you, or I would ask the church that's asking this question, who's already engaging with you online on your Facebook page? What demographic is that? And start that group, okay? That's what I did with one of the churches I worked with, and the demographic was actually the older people of the church. Um, the ones that spend a lot of time at home online, and they were ready to chitchat. I mean, they commented on every Bible verse I posted, every any random thing. They were on it. They were the first comments, the first likes. I knew they were ready to talk. They want to talk. So I made sure that they had a place to talk from the very beginning. So that would be my suggestion: like, look who's already wanting to communicate with you and go reach them. Create something specifically for them. And I think it's Katie that I said might have a different—oh, I'm sorry, we're completely fine with Julianne. No issues with Julianne. I'm sure. But a lot, lots of random ideas. Yeah, so I actually just recently became a certified community manager through Facebook. So that's really exciting. That's a brand new certification they just launched, and I got to be one of the first people to become one. I think I'm in like the first, I don't know, 100 or 200. There's not more than I don't think 200 people certified to do this yet. So that's pretty cool. Um, so I feel like I've studied a ton about groups recently, like just an enormous amount. And at first, I think, Jeanette, I completely agree with what Jeanette says. So I don't really have like an opposing opinion, right? What she had another—another—yeah, you could take like we have all the things we can do. Like this is good. I like to call it genetic cause like an internal strategy, right? Um, and an internal strategy is good. It works, and that's important. Um, it's something I want to establish before I go into an external like an outreach strategy. Is um, there are many different types of groups. And so I think when you start a group, you'll be overwhelmed by the options or the different possibilities. And so I just think it's really important that we talk about maybe the different options there are. So there is a public group, which is very much like a page. Uh, I don't really know why you would ever want to use a public group. Uh, you could—when you could, you know, I—there are some reasons. So the public groups can be monetized. Uh, they've launched brand partnerships and stuff with public groups. I mean, yeah, that's a great reason right there, making money. Um, but but for church, a public group doesn't make a lot of sense because a closed group or what we call now a um private hidden group—it used to be called closed. It's now called private and then hidden—two different options. Um, there's either public or private hidden or visible, okay? So a private hidden group—um, a private visible group, excuse me. You want to create a private visible group so that means that it's still searchable. You can still find it on Facebook, but you can't see what's inside of it unless you join, okay? So that's what the private means. Like you can't really see what's going on in there. You can see the members that are in there perhaps, but you really can't see what's going on inside the group unless you join it. I think that the reason you want to use a private visible group is the exclusivity of it. Um, it makes people want to join it other than just look at it like a page. You don't necessarily have to like it to see what's going on in there. Uh, like a public group, you can see what's going on in the public group without joining it. So okay, so we've got a private visible group. And then so we've talked about an internal strategy. I think internal strategies are great. I had several when I was working in a mega church. You could create like we created one for the choir. So the choir had 200 members in it, which is basically a small church in and of itself. Um, and they would always talk about like, what are we wearing this Sunday or like what songs are we singing again, you know, that kind of stuff. Um, and then we also did like repeating. I think it's really important to do uh repeating topics when possible when it makes sense when there's enough conversation around something to do something that's repeating. So for us we found that

Like what can we be praying for you? Um, asking that every single week inside of our internal communities was really important. And so it really kept, I think, that internal community connected with what was going on in their lives. And uh, then obviously we could pray for each other, and that was great.

I think any time that we can encourage prayer as a primary strategy, that's what we should do. So, um, okay, so an external strategy is really uh, how can we reach people who are outside of our church? And so there are already tons of community groups created in your community um on Facebook.

And you know, a community group doesn't necessarily even have to be a Facebook group. It could be a page, it could be an Instagram account. Um, but there's already all these groups created, or you can create a group. So either way, if you create a group, um, you do so. I have to start from scratch. I would find ten friends and basically you're finding these niche kind of groups or you're finding neighborhood groups. So there's one here in Sarah Land that's like the Voice of Starland or some Voices of Sarah Land. Um, and so you can join that and like talk about, you know, what's going on in Sarah Land. Um, and usually they're full of trash. So if you can be a light in the darkness in a neighborhood group, I think that's what you should do. Like, if you can encourage community in like a happy capacity, even if it's just limited to like, what's your favorite barbecue restaurant in town or something, I think that's really good because all we're trying to do in these neighborhood groups is create relationship. That's all I want you to do. I don't want you to like put out Bible orders every single day into all of your neighborhood groups. Um, because I mean, Jesus didn't go around like throwing the Bible at people, right? When he uh went to the woman at the well, he just asked her, you know, about her life and what she needed. And so I think that we need to just go into these uh community groups and maybe you create like a hiking group, and every week you go hiking and you take pictures of your hike, and maybe eventually you can invite people to go on hikes with you. And it's important that we create relationships because obviously I think we're all in these Christian bubbles, right? I think everybody's like in a big church bubble. Um, where like, I don't know how I'm supposed to meet other people who aren't Christians, right? I get that question a lot. Like, how do I meet people who aren't Christian? Um, well, you have new things outside of your bubble. Walk outside and go next door or across the street. Yeah, like go to your next-door neighbor. I don't know. Like, there are people who are far, far from God. I think that we just like, maybe especially in the South, like we assume that everybody knows Jesus, that everybody goes. Um, and maybe they kind of do. I think they're all culturally Christian. Like, they all think that they're Christian. Um, so you know, finding these opportunities where we can create real relationships. Because we can't create relationships. We can't have life change. Life change happens in the context of relationship. So how can I create more meaningful relationships is always my like end goal, right? And I think as a church planter, that's your end goal too, right? Like, you just want to create these relationships that are very meaningful so that people will eventually ask you about your life because obviously it is different. And then they will want to come to church. Um, and so it's uh, and join your church members Facebook group. And then maybe they want to join a church member Facebook group. But that will be, yeah, that'll be the end goal, right? That group. I mean, I'm in the group that they're already in, right? You gotta meet them where they're at. That's really cool. So you're telling us that Christians should kind of take charge in like subcultures that they're already part of outside of Christianity and saying, hey, we want to be involved in these spaces as a way to reach other people? Because when we were going to talk about groups, I was thinking of it mostly as the internal strategy part. And you're saying, hey, Christians have a huge opportunity here to reach out to people. Yeah, hundred percent. It's a very old evangelism strategy. I'm not like teaching some like brand new, like new age evangelism strategy. I think people think like, ah, that sounds so innovative and wild, and I'm like, no, it's just like what the church used to do, like with a basketball league, you know, or whatever, except for they put their name on it. I don't want you to put your name on anything. We got so caught up in taking credit for everything that we forgot like this was an outreach, right? You're telling me I can't start like a Royal Ambassador's uh Avengers Marvel group or something along those lines? Like, I shouldn't do that? Actually, if you started an R.A. like group, I one hundred percent. Because like, okay, my brother was an R.A., a Royal Ambassador. So this is very Southern Baptist. I was going to say in my mind, like, you know what Royal Ambassadors are? Yeah, it's a title. Priorities. I will do my best to be a well-informed responsible follower of Christ. You have right now. Do you know any of this? I have no, none of this. This is all news. Awana. Awana Gulen is Awana. Maybe more familiar with you? Yes. I wasn't in Awana, but yes. All right, well go on, Katie. Go on. Oh, yeah, no. Uh, so yeah, they already. So uh, it's funny, you know, R.A.s and G.A.s. I was actually super into Girls in Action. So there's R.A.s and G.A.s. Girls in Action was the girls version. My brother is in the R.A. basketball league. Um, so yes, I am very familiar uh with this. And so yeah, so uh, anyway, you should just create like, you should just go into groups that you're already in and like figure out how you can uh reach out to people. Well, and this brings up a good point. I'm sorry, Jeff. I know I need to shut up. I'll talk. I told you it's gonna get crazy, y'all. Go. But this is on point. I'm staying on topic. But I think this is something that we really, we really need to be teaching our people, members. Yeah, hundred percent. Because we talk about discipleship all the time as churches, but we do not do a good job of connecting that to their online presence, right? And I think that that is something maybe that's the first Facebook group you create is like, you know what, it really means to be a, you know, a Christ follower in real life and online. Like, how does this translate to, you know, we all know the things that we should, you know, how to, you know, we've taken the, we've done the book studies, we've done the Bible studies on, you know, how to be a disciple of Jesus in the world. But we don't always translate that to our online presence. And I think that is something that is so important and is part of this conversation. Like Katie says, this does not have to be about Bible verses and um gifts that are not helpful. Um, and sometimes don't mean what you think they mean. Um, this, this is this is about real connection and real conversation with people where they already are. Where we're all entrenched in thirty-seven Facebook groups about all the things that we love. There's no reason we can't connect with people and bring them alongside us and walk alongside them. Yeah, yeah. And I love that because I think a lot of times when churches talk about like your online activity, if it's like in a sermon or whatever, it's always like, you need to unplug or you need to be kind to people. And yes, like those things are both important. But if we can catch a vision for like, this is actually a place to do ministry, it is going to be so much more effective. And you know, I mean, I think we've probably all been in places where people are like, you need to go where the people are. Well, like, I'm not the kind of person, you know, just gonna say like, I'm a young single woman. I'm not gonna go to a bar and try and start strike up a conversation with someone to tell them about Jesus. I'm not going to do it. But I can join a Facebook group, you know, that is why is that is helpful. And then I can, you know, make relationships that way in a way that is safe. Definitely, probably not the way that people expected this direction to go. Sorry, every time. And I'm so sorry. Yeah, so I actually did have a woman uh do that. Actually, Julian, I got a great like comment from somebody in a different group altogether, not even to mine. Um, and she was like, Katie, I heard about like your idea or whatever, and I actually joined our neighborhood group and they go on a walk every week or something. This was before Corona. Um, and she was like, they going to walk every week. And so I went on the walk with them. And I'm very introverted, and I, you know, I was kind of nervous about it. And she was like, I went on the walk with them. We had a great time. Somebody sent me home with like homemade pickles. I got some dogs. She was like, I think this is the best gospel like conversation and like possibility that I've had in years, right? Like, yeah, exactly. It's so easy, right? Like, I don't know, normal human to just show up to things. I don't know. Um, and just like, and you can do that completely online to begin with. Like, so there's really no intimidation factor. It's just like being apart and like and taking, I don't know, action to like actually reach them. And you can create an intentional strategy to do that. You don't have to like, you can do it like a little bit by little bit before like, you know, everybody even realizes you're sneaking into all their lives and becoming like really well known in the community. Um, and so I mean, that's kind of why I did with church communications, right? Like, I didn't, nobody knew who I was like before twenty fifteen.

I just snuck in there. You're so happy you did. Yeah, thank you, thank you. Um, but yeah, I don't know, it's just a crazy. It's just a different. I think God's really giving me a heart for that. And I just, I, I just, we, we just should figure it out anyway. Sorry, I'm stumbling now. I, I love this. And for the record, Ray, I, I want to say that we made it seventeen minutes into the beta show without saying the word discipleship. And then it came out. We, we do this. Like, we talk online discipleship, digital discipleship all the time. Like, and it feels like that's like the the constant theme through the podcast and the other things that we do. And so can kind of honestly, I'm just going to share a little bit here. It's like, hey, let's, let's talk about some other stuff. Let's try to move away from some of the philosophical discipleship talk about more practical things. Hey, Jeff, let's, let's get, you know, more detailed stuff. And so, hey, let's bring some people together, some women. Let's talk about Facebook groups. What can be more practical than Facebook groups? And even in Facebook groups, we end up talking about discipleship. And and I'll just tell you, Katie, that that outward-facing strategy, I talk to to digital church planters. I talk digital. Hey, guys, let's, let's get involved in in the community Facebook groups, meet people through there. I can tell you churches that have launched when the planners in another state and he's built his core team off of Facebook groups in the city that he wants to launch his church into. Phenomenal strategy. We talk about it all the time. Never once have I thought, hey, church needs to launch an unbranded Facebook group community on a topic and and start the conversations there. Um, be invite people into into that community. Completely different approach, honestly, than anything that I've I've ever thought on that. So thank you towards that. That, that's awesome. Uh, I got time for one more. Um, somebody, somebody give me. Go for it, Julian. You're right. I got one super practical tip, and it's just this. When you start a church Facebook group, the first thing is you need one person or some people who own that Facebook group. Preferably not the pastor. But if it has to, like, somebody who owns a Facebook group. And the other thing is, this goes with it. Turn on post approval because things can get crazy if you don't. And so you have your person.

Or people who are in charge have them check it every day or five days a week or whatever, and make sure that you are attending to that community and that those people are, you know, fostering the community, starting conversations, responding to people's questions. But you definitely want to have somebody that's in charge so that we're not just like approving posts once a week, you know, when people no longer have their questions or prayer requests or whatever, and that there's actual dialogue happening. And I think it goes back to what Janette said earlier about like, figure out who your top fans are, your people who are already online and already want that conversation. Try to draw them in. If they need training, that's fine, but you know, if they can take that on and kind of help you get the group going and get some momentum, that is key. And that goes for the branded or the unbranded. Like, that's something that will work either way. So love it. Let me want it. That was a very good tip there. So I'm a pastor. Um, maybe I feel like I need to overly control this. Um, at what point do I let it go, even out of a staff member? Let it go to a volunteer? What, what, at what point should I, could I, or do I need to be involved in it every step of the way? Coach me through here. Owning person, is it a staff person? Is it a volunteer? What's that transition look like?

Well, just let it go.

Yeah, I was gonna say, as the pastor, do you control all the conversations that happen in your Sunday school classes?

Ooh, like, do you? Because that's what this is. It's something that's a little more permanent and maybe visible, but that's what this is. Is it's the conversations that would happen in your Sunday school classes or around the potluck or whatever? After church lunch, right?

Yeah, exactly. You don't even know where those people are going, right? Like, they could be saying whatever. So as a pastor, you don't necessarily have to have control over the conversations that are happening. Now, there could be specific instances where you want a pastor in charge. For example, if this Facebook group, if you're following the Nonna Jones model where your Facebook group is your digital campus, you probably want a pastor in charge of that. But if it's just a place to connect with people in the community, um, put people obviously who are wise and whose discernment you trust in there. But at the end of the day, you don't have to control the conversations. You should be able to participate in them and be available if the people in charge of that have concerns, which will probably not happen as often as you think it's going to. And but otherwise, like, just think about it as like, you can't be in every Sunday school room at once. You don't have to be in the Facebook group and seeing all those conversations at once either.

Well said. I'm totally going to use the Sunday school line on a regular basis now.

Okay, Julian, I'll give you credit for at least the first two, and then I'll probably just end up stealing.

Perfect, perfect. At least the public record that Julian came up with that. Who'd you borrow it from?

No, I'm kidding. Hey, uh, this has been a great time. Uh, I've loved it. I've learned a lot. Um, I know from now on that if I'm going to invite three ladies on a show, I'm just going to leave my mic muted and let you all run because this has been definite. I, I, somebody just uh tweeted this. I'll throw it in Facebook. Tweet, sorry. Um, definitely go where people are, you know, and I think that's really um one of the takeaways. I love this idea of external love. The focus of internal releasing and empowering others that understand the Facebook culture to run with it's good stuff. Um, hey, Ray, uh, any closing thoughts here as we're landing the plane?

Yeah, you know, I loved all the points brought up, um, and especially Julian, what you talked about with having the right moderator in place, especially coming out of you know, very contested election season, a lot of difficulties where a lot of people want to get very vocal in church or just about different perspectives that are going on, especially in an era of misinformation where stuff's being spread. It's important to have somebody who's a moderator and to make sure and confirm with that moderator what is and what is not allowed. Be very, very clear and flag stuff as soon as you see it and make sure and kind of walk them through that because it can be very hard. Everybody, especially, can have like a different filter on that kind of thing. So make sure you're taking care on that end. Uh, yeah, Julian, are you going to make sure like one of the things that we do at work, and I think that this is actually a good thing for churches too, because we're very intentional at CMU about like developing community. Um, and so sometimes I'm like, you know, the head and I have other moderators that help me, and we all know like this is a drama-free zone. So someone says something that, you know, we have people of all kinds of theological persuasions in there as far as like, they're all Christians, but Calvinists, Armenians, whatever. Um, if someone says something that could be considered insulting to another belief, we we just decline it and we say, hey, um, I'm really sorry, but we know that this conversation is gonna go out of control, so we're not going to. So if you just say like, hey, this is a no-drama zone, it's a place for us to love each other because we are brothers and sisters in Christ, that works better for your church groups. But you can still be polite about it. And like, another one to say like, hey, this isn't for debate. This is for discussing whatever. Um, so that's right. And and even on top of that, like, things that we've had to deal with in our groups is folks even trying to like spam us with other internet pastors or you know, churches or different things. And and so that's where you have to be very clear on what the group is about. And that's where those group rules are super important at the beginning. And that's where a lot of that at the beginning of the group can be very, very crucial.

Yeah, well, well said there. Yeah, hey, so so let we're going to land the plane. By the way, I I feel like we need to do this more often. Like, Ray, I think we need to get like these ladies together. By the way, if you're not doing the three of you, you should consider doing like a podcast, a video stream, something separately. Like, it's hilarious. It's fun. It's entertaining. But we we need to come up. Like, I want you to become like the the my communications go-to people. Like, I need some more communications love in in my life. So we'll have to to do this again if you all are willing, of course.

Let's do this because so I'm sorry. What? Jesus went to Mary Martha to communicate the resurrection. So I'm just saying like, clearly.

Okay, I was gonna say Katie had the broadcast. I mean, so so tell the audience here a little bit here. Uh, like, how we can find you online. Jeanette, why don't you go first? Where can people find you and track you, you know, what you're doing online?

Okay, so Twitter is my jam. Uh, I do love some Twitter, so feel free to hop over there and follow me at Jades. I also on Instagram am starting to talk about really what it means to to be purposeful with your social media profiles. Um, and I'm not necessarily sharing like, you know, how to be a good Christian, you know, but just talking about like, how to be a person, like, be a real person. And so I'm doing a lot of that on Instagram, which is another place that you can check, uh, check out that content. Um, giving social media tips just for average people, like, you know, think about these things before you post things. Like that. Today I did one that was like, hey, remember, behind every profile is a person. Be kind. Um, so I'm also at Janet Yates over there. Um, so anyway, those are my two. I love that. Katie, next up. So obviously podcast, number of things, talk, talk about the church communications group. How can people find all the resources that you're providing online?

Yeah, you can go to churchcommunications.com and find pretty much everything. Churchcommunications.com group if you're joining the group. Uh, we'd love to have you. We have about, I don't know, almost 28,000 church communicators in there, and uh, just having a ball. Uh, you can also go to katieallred.com. Uh, we've got an Instagram book out, Instagram post that worked. Uh, just examples across the country if you would like to see just some more stuff uh about communications. These are actual practical examples from communicators just like you. And so I would love to let you see a copy of this on Amazon. Uh, you can go to churchcommunications.com/instabook if you would like to pick up a copy of that.

Awesome. Like, like I said, one, one of the great resources for churches in in the communications realm right over there, churchcommunications.com. Julianne, church marketing university, nothing to sneeze at either. Tell me a little bit about what you're doing and how people can follow what's going on there.

Yeah, so um, I and the, I was joking earlier on the CCCO. No one knows what that stands for, but I help the team over at CMU with social and customers and whatever. Probably the best place to connect with me and kind of see what we're practicing in action is um, the Church Marketers Facebook group. It's different than Katie's group. It's smaller. Um, but you can kind of, that's a great place to connect with me. I spend 90 percent of the money.

I said it smaller, but mighty, you know.

Well, thank you. That's that's awesome. Well, well said. Well, ladies, thank you very much for joining us for uh, for the stream here, here at the Beta Show. Uh, questions, if you've got them in the audience, feel free to throw them in. We'll be engaging with the comments later on. If you've got questions, offer the Church Digital to cover here on the Beta Show. Text us at 484-324-8724. Somewhere and I got a lower third in, forgot to click it. It's been that kind of week. Hey, so for everybody that's on the screen right now, Ray, Jeanette, Katie, uh, Julianne, my name is Jeff with uh, the Church Digital and Stadium Church Planting. Thanks for joining us today, and we'll see you next time here at the Beta Show. Spider-Man, really. All right, y'all have a good day.