European Digital Missionary Summit 2025

Hey everyone, welcome back to the second session here at the European Digital Missionary Summit. So great that you are joining us and I see people coming in onto stage.

I hope you had a good time using the break to connect to each other to jump into rooms and to ask your question to our speakers and you'll have the opportunity to do so all through the conference.

Great that you're connecting and for those who have been joining lately, my name is Simon Dirks. I'm leading the outpost Europe at the Church Digital and I'm also leading the region digital at the German mission agency Alliance Mission.

It's great that we are together and in our second session we're going to shift the view a little bit. We had a big overview regarding ways of mission AI situation in Europe and how to engage and empower content creators and generation Z.

And now we're going to have some practical insights because doing digital mission in a European context always means focusing on a specific community, a specific digital space or place and working with people with a special interest or a special topic.

So in this second session we're going to hear two talks from practitioners. On the first hand side we're going to hear from Daniel Shunka. He is a missionary among gamers for a couple of years now here in Germany and also working with Alliance Mission. And we're going to hear from Aki Gibson serving in Finland and he's going to share about how to engage others in hip-hop communities, very specific communities.

And I'm really sure that we can learn a lot from them. So perhaps you are learning a lot through the sessions you're hearing over here.

One way we love to bring people together as the Church Digital is through building cohorts. We call that equipping digital missionaries. It's a five-week course where over a time of five weeks people get together as a cohort of perhaps ten to fifteen people and for these five weeks they learn together.

They learn asynchronously through good content and input videos provided throughout a learning management system named Genobi where we give you an account for and on the other hand side there is one-hour huddle each week where the participants of this cohort get together synchronously and discuss what they have learned where they see the biggest challenge and profit from connecting with each other and we are happy that since end of last year, we had really a lot of EDMs running throughout all continents.

We already had two ones also running for the European context, one in German. And we are preparing to start an EDM for French-speaking people. We'll start next year. So keep connected to us to learn more about that. But if you are saying after this conference, I like to learn more. I'd like to get on a cohort with others to learn together with them. Then we would love to invite you to join a cohort for equipping digital missionaries here in Europe and start with that in October.

Actually, I already got a form for you prepared. So on October 22nd, we're going to start the next European Equipping Digital Missionaries cohort.

And if you say, well, that doesn't quite match my schedule, that's perfectly no problem. You can as well join one of the general EDMs in other continents context, or probably later by getting informed and signing up at the Church EDM. So much great opportunities to get connected to focus on your specific ministry in your specific cultural or language-oriented context. We want to see that coming to life.

So much said for now, I just want to hand over at first to one of our sponsors. We're going to hear from BAM Portals and I'm really happy that Kalisar is with us. He's going to give a little interview and then we're going to dive into the keynotes with Daniel Chunka and Aki Gibson. Let's go.

Thank you very much, Simon. Hi, good morning everyone. My name is Kal. I'm from Sweden. And I'm working as e-commerce and digital marketing consultant at the BAM Portal supporting missionary and faith-driven entrepreneurs in the center and in the heart of what we do on a daily basis.

And today I'm going to present to you our initiative called ECOMA. ECOMA is a startup academy that helps missionaries, faith-driven entrepreneurs and refugees around the world to start and lead online businesses.

The idea of ECOMA started during COVID where we got struggle to support our missionaries and refugees around the world and we thought how can we help them become self-funded and start a business instead of waiting for donation and support.

So we gather a team from entrepreneurship, e-commerce and digital marketing and we design a six-week live training that will provide to them everything they need to know and to learn to launch and lead online business.

So they get idea about entrepreneurship, e-commerce, digital marketing, how to manage online store and we help them design and launch their online store in six weeks.

We stay with them as well for six months as a mentoring and support and hopefully after that period of time they will become self-funded and grow further.

So we do it in a way that will not require a lot of investment or cost upfront. So the business model we help them start.

First we meet with them, we get to know them, their background, their passion and what they can do and then we look for a business in that market or a way to connect them to maybe local business.

For example, we have a missionary in Tunisia who became very interested in handmade drugs and we help them to export it to the US.

The second business model we help them to do is maybe to import high demand products into the local market. And the third business model is franchising.

So we connect them to our network of business as a mission or businesses who do business as a mission and we help them get a product or even service or software to franchise it and become reseller in their local area.

This will help them to get to the local community will help them as well to become self-funded and help to support others in that local area.

The result so far is we have an average eighteen thousand dollar revenue per store in average per year. But it will help them as well to create job. Maybe they will employ some people to help them do this business. And we have the results sixty-one percent still active after two years in the business.

But the most we see our successful is we have around twelve of our stores have grown into authorized dealer in their area or launch their own products brand.

So we train hundreds of missionary faith-driven entrepreneurs and refugees to start their online businesses. And if you have access to community, to missionary, to refugees, support group or if you have a business that you want to grow to other country or to other region and you want to connect to our network of certified e-commerce leaders, so we are willing to connect and to collaborate. Thank you very much.

Hey everyone, my name is Daniel and I've worked as what people call a missionary to gamers and nurses for a good twelve years now.

I am very honored and happy to share a tiny amount of my thoughts with you today. May God give you discernment about which thoughts to keep.

So a few weeks ago, I wanted to play a game of Legion TD2. I had just figured out a new strategy. I knew exactly what to do. I wanted to win. So I started building until I realized that I picked the wrong play style. And now I did not have enough gold to build what my start build required.

So my what did not match my how. Why exactly? Because I forgot my why. The reason I picked the how makes a little more sense of it just follow along.

So it was the wrong way to start with what. Ironically, the question that Christians asked me the most is what we do and this is the very first question that Simon also sent me when he asked me to speak here.

Gladly his second question was about my learnings. And I have learned that if you want to obsess about one thing in missions and in life, please focus on why instead of what. We have to know why we play the game in order to be successful with it.

So let us start there with the why. We believe in a God who himself is loving relationship and he values loving relationship above all. It is the core of everything we know about him. Love God. Love your neighbor. Love yourself. This is it. Now we love because he loved us first.

This is our motivation. This is the reason why we are in mission. God invited us to join him in enabling loving relationships. When I am a person that just like God values loving relationships above all, where do I build those?

Well, everywhere. This also settles the when since in this life you will always be in a certain place. Even in a digital or virtual place you are present and wherever you are present there is at least you and God.

So two of the three relationship building opportunities are with you all the time. Now when I am a person that just like God loves on people everywhere and all the time, how do I actually do that?

How do I love? Well, do it like Jesus did by helping and preaching. This way Jesus says the people will see our good works and glorify our father in heaven.

So there is a good deed but they do not praise me for my good deed but they praise the father in heaven. So we need the good works but then we also need to speak about where the good works come from to have a transition in the direction of the praise. It's not directed towards us but towards our father in heaven who by his grace has done all the things that enable us to actually be a loving person.

How do I know how to help in the first place? Well, it is by having an open eye and an open ear by listening by actually having an interest for the people we are with so that we see how to help them so that we hear what they need and then step in and make their life taste better. Be the salt that makes the life taste better before I start speaking my agenda. Why would I listen before I preach?

Like I said, this is the way that God describes his mission that he goes on with his own mission. So if I do not listen before I preach, then I will maybe fail the mission completely even though I'm in it and want to fulfill the mission.

Remember how I failed my game of Legion TD2? Had I thought about my why first, I could not have chosen my what. My why sets the priority and it will disqualify some of the whats.

Same for the why that God said. If why is loving relationship then some of the what will not work. Some methods may they be as well meant as possible are not an option due to them negating the motivation that enabled my work in the first place.

So if I do not follow the process, I might find myself failing the very mission I set out to accomplish. The same goes for doing the right thing for the wrong reason.

If the what is legit but the why is wrong, it may look like serving while it remains but a shiny shell hollow and empty.

The mission of God that he called us to participate in is not about doing something for God or for church or to feel better about myself.

The mission of God he called us to participate in is about becoming and being a person that reflects the character of God. And we can see that in Jesus himself.

Now, in the past twelve years, I've worked in the US and Germany as well as a lot of other countries via digital consultation and conversation.

I have seen dozens of ministries and I've seen dozens of churches and people be hyped about Jesus and revival. Yet, since you asked what I learned, it is that the what does not hold anywhere near the importance we think it does.

When you look at all those healthy ministries, all those people of faith that live in a healthy inspiring way, even in their lows, that is inspiring. Uh churches that thrive, they all have this focus of why over what. Sustainable mission is always about creating opportunity for steady growing relationships. The last 12 years taught me that to they taught me to value enabling loving relationship toward God to uh toward what other people and toward the self above all.

When you obsess about the why of the mission, then the what will automatically follow. And that finally brings us to answering the all-time favoring wrong first question of what what does mission among gamers in Europe look like.

Here's the fun part. It is according to who you are as a person. It might look like my friends from for the wind gaming in Northern Ireland going into games helping people by being good teammates inviting people to join the gaming community where they simply talk and when asked share about the hope they have in Christ loving people towards them. It might look like my friends from Ner and Frankfurt starting a house church locally with nerdy setting, gaming, and doing events together, inviting nerds to discuss the Bible text and listening to what's on their mind, then helping them uh with the issues they have and sharing about Christ in the in the process, thus loving them towards him. It might look like my friend Chris from Boston who at a game church missions trip to PEX East remained calm and friendly when a guy approached the booth, wiped the table clean, shouted insults.

Chris prayed for that guy because he had compassion for that guy. Throughout the entire next year, he prayed for that guy only to meet him again. The Pax East uh the year after uh he approached again and said, "Remember me from last year? I took one of your Bibles to curse you every time I saw it." and instead I read it and it touched my heart and I'm so very sorry for being such an Will you pray for me? That touches me. Stories like these touch me so very deeply and more than having a great event, more than doing the best group analysis uh target group analysis resulting in the in the best methods, more than speaking at this conference about anything I have ever accomplished or whatn not anything else.

I I don't care. I long for the simple gospel lived out like that through normal people meeting other people so that every gamer will encounter the love of God.

As far as I am concerned, there are a good over 150 million hardcore gamers in Europe right now. Their souls long for loving relationships. Their lives are in need of people who are willing to listen and to help. The hearts are more open to this great love of God than we might think.

150 million might sound a lot, sure, but there must be a million hardcore gamer Christians among them. I think 149 people for each of us might be uh more in the range of a possible mission to love that many people over our lifetime.

And it it it it gets less and less the more we love people towards Christ, right? So they will then love as well. So let us gather and equip as many of these Christian hardcore gamers as we can.

And then next time someone at a conference uh can say that gaming mission in Europe might look like my friend insert your name here doing what you love to do and what you're good at in the context of listening to people helping them and sharing their faith authentically among gamers.

Yes, there are some principles I could talk about to further help with how and what, but that is not worth obsessing about. As long as being honestly interested in people is the focus. You will do a lot of help helpful setups or automatically or figure it out along the way if you focus on loving people. Well, else uh we can talk about these principles in another setting.

So I hope we all will be able to keep some of the thoughts of mine uh with us uh so that I for one might not do stupid mistakes in Legion TD2 anymore and you will feel encouraged to love gamers authentically in your way towards the saving beauty of Christ so that all gamers will encounter the love of God. Cheers.

Okay, good morning everyone. Uh, it's almost actually afternoon here in Finland. Uh, my name is Aki Gibson and um really I'm going to continue uh some of the sentiment that Daniel was just sharing about really living out that simple gospel of of of loving people in these different niches that wherever we find ourselves. Um, I'm uh going to be talking about the hip-hop context because that's uh what we're a part of here in Finland.

Um, I'm a a tech worker, sort of a bivocational missionary, so a tech worker, but also a part of a hip-hop group called Under the Underground. And uh, we are also a part of a a broader creative network here in the capital region of of Helsinki, Finland. Um, and there's a group basically it's a group of rappers that came together rapid in English and Finnish and that somehow evolved into a studio that evolved into a college wildfire college you know wildfirecol.com is the website there's there's a lot of things coming together between creativity and theology and so the movement is kind of broadening out we're in Helsinki kind of jumped over to Estonia and even some places in Southeast Asia. So, we're just a growing movement um looking to network with other creatives. Um and really there's really not really a clear road map for what we're trying to do because we also are evolving into a tech incubator as well.

You know, there there's actually partnership we have with indigenous this weekend. There's a hackathon. So, there's there's a bunch of different efforts coming together.

And for me though um the in in a in this kind of digital context where you know all all the all the lanes keep changing and all the on-ramps keep changing. You know for me where I found the the greatest clarity and inspiration is is just simply back in the text. You know coming back to the way that the early church navigated and adapted um the movement to to unique context.

And I actually showing here a picture of um the um the the scene of the riot in in Acts 18 where where Paul and his and his companions uh so saturated Ephesus and um really changed the conversation there that it it that it turned into this riotous outbreak.

And um I actually had a chance to go to um to Turkey and visit these these ruins and a lot of the other um Asia Minor context because really it was from from Ephesus that a beach head was established that that penetrated all of Asia Minor. You know, if we read that account in Acts 19, it it basically said that they they saturated that whole region within a within a couple of years.

And and this this sort of pattern that you see in the text really has kind of given inspiration to kind of what we're trying to do even in the hip-hop context.

And it's um you know a long kind of conversation here to look at specific text, but I'm going to just trying to abstract it because obviously hip-hop may not be relevant for everyone here, but there's probably others that are creatives or content creators. And I'm just going to kind of share kind of how we've navigated um uh the missional uh journey in the hip-hop space and and really uh what you see kind of from Paul's example in Ephesus, he he he starts in the marketplace, you know, he he when he arrives at Ephesus, he brings Priscilla and Aquilla, who who were his fellow leather workers or um you know, whether they were making leather to make tents, you know, uh you know, they they had a shared business context and and in that picture actually that I was showing the the the marketplace is actually right right sort of to the left of this this arena, you know. So when that that riot broke out, it was it was really just um within short um proximity to to the marketplace, the Agora where they possibly would have had their business dealings.

Um so so so you you see a scene that takes place in the marketplace there in the Ephesus story. You also see Paul engaging in the synagogue a couple of times. And um each of these, you know, as as I'm staring into them, you know, you you could sort of abstract what's going on to to your own context because the marketplace is just really it's it's a it's an arena where there's insider engagement and there's some some type of rules of of exchange or, you know, engagement. And there's a lot of ways that we could apply this in the digital space. There's a lot of different um uh open forms of exchange um that invite our participation as as insiders.

And um the synagogue, you know, he entered in a couple of times. The first time when he was speaking in the synagogue, they were really hanging on his every words and wanted to wanted him to stay. You know, he left Ephesus for a time, then returned. And that second time he went into he was boldly reasoning from the scriptures and then they kicked him out.

But really to me like abstract in this there's there's some type of storied community like if if we find ourselves in insiders in these forms of exchange within those context we could possibly find storied communities that invite our um our contributions you know and and for me this is all aligned with what's what how we've been seeing our hip-hop missional journey go but I'm I'm just trying to explain from the Acts context, you know, how how Paul established this beach.

And so once they got kicked out of the synagogue, then he he took the disciples that he found and um they they entered into the school of Tyrannis for a period of a couple of years, you know, in the scriptures daily. And it says that that daily context you know the one of the one of the texts that we have available the western text actually provides detail on the timing when that training was taken place and it was it was taken place you know during um the hours when workers would have been on break you know because like people couldn't really work under the under the under the sun at the at the hottest moments. So, so during that break period he he was taking these disciples and it's a daily uh training um them and it and I think even when we think about a digital context you know for me the digital context is the only place where I could think of about a daily opportunity to engage in discipleship you know there's there's other in-person contexts you could get you know weekly rhythms and such but to me the digital context offers something that's similar to what Paul had where he was daily reasoning uh with this disciple context and and as that um movement kind of spread you know it really saturated the whole region with this this testimony where the name of Jesus was made famous and there's there's a lot here obviously when we think about how we could use the digital tools to to disseminate uh testimony and truth um for for our own journey um you know what it means to be in the marketplace place in in in this kind of context of hip-hop is, you know, I I've I found um the where we've kind of landed as a as a as a hip-hop collective is, you know, we we find a lot of these open verse challenges on um Tik Tok and other platforms. There's there's a platform circle that we participate in these sort of song contests and um you know maybe in in another creative context that would look like a hackathon or whatever other opportunity is to kind of get in get into uh a collective of creatives and then participate in some type of creative challenge. And that um that sort of has given us that insider status to go in to to go among the community and speak from and and when we the the testimonies that we've seen in the hip-hop space like a lot of people when we think about creativity you think about who is your creative stuff going to reach as it you know gets populated on these platforms.

But the mindset that we've taken is who are the creatives that we're going to reach? In other words, the fellow content creators because, you know, often times you're so focused on getting your content on the platforms that you don't realize along the way in the creation process, there's a networking that takes place that invites you into other creatives' lives. And that's what happened for us. You know, we just to give a simple testament because I think I'm going to run out of time here, but I'll just give one testimony out of the many that has been coming together. You know, we joined a song contest recently and in that context, it was a global contest.

So people were joining from all over the world and it was artists and producers linking up and somehow as we searched, for example, producers who we want to work with, we just happened to stumble across another producer who was here in our backyard in Finland, literally in the same city. And that turned into an interesting collaboration project and really the digital means like I would have never met this guy if I was just roaming the streets of Finland trying to find other creative producers and he was the only guy from Finland in this challenge.

And so it's interesting because you know, digital gives you these opportunities to make in-person connections also in ways that in-person context doesn't even provide you with. So just for time's sake, I, you know, we're here in the Nordics just looking to network and collaborate with other creators whether that's in the hip-hop context or other media context and feel free to reach out because we're really trying to build something on the order of you know an Inklings group, you know, where creatives like C.S. Lewis and Tolkien will come together and bring their creative projects together, challenge each other to grow, but also just encourage each other to get our stuff out there with a missional mindset to reach fellow creatives.

So I think that's the time that I was allotted, but happy to stay on in the rooms if there's other people that are engaged in hip-hop or creativity or content creation. Love to chat further.

A big thank you to Aki and greetings up to the Nordics to Hell Zinci. It's been really great. And if you're saying, well, that has been really touching, you can get in the room later on after the session when we have the next break and connect to Aki. Daniel can't be here today synchronously, so you won't find him in a room, but you can enter Aki or take the time to connect with each other.

Before we go into another break of digital launch or jumping to the tables, we want to take another view at one of our sponsors who makes it possible for you to attend this conference for free and that is Global Church Movements. We are thrilled to hear a little bit from them. So let's start that.

Hello friends, my name is Rudina Bakali and I serve as a global digital strategist with Global Church Movement. In 2019, my family and I went to Thessaloniki, Greece to attend a conference, but also to be part of a big city outreach in the city of Thessaloniki. We partnered with Joshua Project and every day together with my kids and my husband and our team, we would go to an assigned area in the city to distribute Bibles.

Our backpacks were full of Bibles, 50 to 200 Bibles per day. One thing though that stuck with me was as we were going through these neighborhoods, the apartment blocks were almost unreached. All the gates were closed and it was very difficult to talk to someone. Actually, there was nobody in the road or in the apartments to talk with.

So we would reach to the mailbox whenever we found the gate open and we'd leave a Bible for each family or we leave it at the door. Very few people and even those were not interested to talk. They would get the Bible with some skepticism and hesitation, but that was all. No conversation. It made me think, Lord, how do we reach the cities if this is what the cities are now? It is so difficult to talk to someone.

And I can witness it that also in my city in Tirana, which is the capital city of Albania. Whenever I take the public bus to go downtown to meet a friend or to go to the Bible study group, I see how difficult it is to open a conversation with a person sitting next to me because they are either on their phone or they are totally checked out. But most of them, especially young people, they are on their phones. They are scrolling and watching, consuming materials on the internet non-stop.

Last December, I started a TikTok channel and one day I received a very interesting comment in one of my videos. The person was very warm and she said that she knew me in person. That made me curious because it didn't remind me of anybody. So I reached out on inbox to her and I asked her how did we know each other? Because to be honest, I felt embarrassed. I didn't know who she was. And then she told me, "I'm Vali." And for me, it's like, "Oh, maybe she's the teacher of my son in the kindergarten," but to my surprise, she was the sister of the owner of the market in our neighborhood where we do shopping every day. I remember I laughed and I said, "Oh, I didn't know that the neighbors are watching." And she smiled, put an emoji, and said, "Yes, we are watching."

Then we started to talk about the video and some other stuff. But it gave me so much joy because I had been praying for these neighbors. I had been praying for them. But whenever I went to their shop, they were so busy working that it was very difficult to have a conversation beyond the everyday greeting, you know, hello, how are you doing? Did you have a good day? And all that. But also I've seen with other neighbors who have been watching our TikTok videos and they tell us so internet has opened a new door for us when the busy life of the cities in Europe has made it so difficult to talk to someone and to spend quality time with someone unless you are purposeful. But if with your friends you try and you make several attempts to go for a coffee, can you imagine how hard or impossible could that be for someone that you don't know?

So I believe that internet is a gift to our times. It's a gift for our modern days to go where people are. It can be a wonderful place for us to share the good news of Christ. I'll leave you now with a wonderful testimony from my friend and brother Isadat Shahhata who serves with Global Church Movements and lives in Spain. He has some wonderful stories as he's trusting God to reach a diaspora for Christ. Tune in. God bless you.

My name is Jah. I am leading the diaspora ministry in Spain and beyond. I'm with GCM as well and I'm leading the ministry with Agab Spain for the diaspora ministry in Europe. So as the GCM, God led us in 2017 that we'll go for the digital wallet that we start a website, Facebook page, and we start doing campaign and ads to the Facebook page. Surprisingly after few years we discovered that we did post reach over 35 million people and with this people reach we have a lot of people they follow up and engaged and in 2019 in specific in October God lead us to start a virtual borderless. It's not VR. The virtual borderless is people come in the meeting, open camera, will be meeting virtually wherever they are. People from many places in North Africa so we started the first virtual borderless church, Mahaban, and you can see the photo. This is how we look alike. So you see in the screen many people around. So we do worship, preaching the word, and we discuss after the message and we pray and we get together every week Thursday from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m.

And people did not attend the church will not find it any of what shared did during that meeting anywhere. So that's why we call it virtual church. This is the difference between online church because online church will be broadcast for a lot of stuff. So I would love to share one of many, many, many stories.

The main thing that we heard during this virtual church people said, "Well, I was thinking I am the only Christian in my country and now many of my people they are a Christian." So because of that, one of the Mahaban leader, he led someone in his own country in North Africa, led him to the Lord and discipled him and baptized him and as the disciple he moved to Spain and he went to a city where we have a partner with us in that city. So you can see this photo with Ahmed in the top, Alex in the bottom, our sister in the other hand. And we start pray about it that we hoping that we'll start another Arabic church in that city.

We prayed and this is what happened. You see this photo. This is what happened. The first evangelical meeting happened in that city and we start to plant this Arabic church in that city. That's how God is doing and using the digital. In the same time in another story, you can see this photo. This man he's Egyptian but live in England. His evangelism he led eight people to the Lord. Four of them they are Iranian. You can see the photo in the bottom. There are two of them there. One sit next to him in our Mahaban virtual church and they attend for weeks and months and we disciple him and teach them how to evangelize and these people get on fire and they start sharing the gospel with people in England and during the sharing the gospel they find there is some Iranian Christian as well in it. They started the Iranian church where they are and the first meeting were 40 people and after weeks and weeks and weeks of discipling, follow up, and doing training for them was baptism. The Philip baptism was 25 people baptism. You can see this photo.

So God is doing a lot of good stuff. God is moving among the people in diaspora. So we use the digital. We are in the age that the digital can be a great tool that will reach unreached people. In the same time for our region of the Nistan, the Arab Muslims region, so people define safety and security behind the screen which is amazing that people really connected. We use a lot of tools. You can see this tool, a plastic card with QR code, visa protector, fans and all this tools that we use it and all the material that we distribute it we give QR code in every single item.

So praise God and together with the digital world that we will let everyone anytime anywhere to hear about Jesus and hoping that we'll be connecting trusting the Lord that every single every thousand users became a virtual church move to in-person church. May the Lord bless you all. Thanks again.

A big thank you to all our sponsors and especially to Global Church Movements. We hope that those opportunities and stories they are sharing are an inspiration to all of you as well. So we are at the end of our second session and now we got another transition to the tables digital launch. You can just step into the launch, sit on a table where someone else is also present and get into conversation.

You can click on rooms up in the header of your window and join the conversation with Aki regarding hip-hop communities or you can just take a short break. We'll meet again here at 11:15 CST. And perhaps you say, well, that is something a friend of mine should have watched as well. Or you say, ah, I missed part of a session. I want to watch it again and again and again because it's so good. We will make the recordings of the conference available for you. You will be able to access that at missionary.digital/base.

Posting the link in the chat. I will be posting it later on. So for now we're going to the break and afterwards we're going to look a little bit about frameworks about not everybody having to invent the wheel in new time but to profit from what others already have developed and we're going to be looking to Poland, Cyprus and Germany will be a really good third session. For now, have a good break and see you.